Posts by The Doc 58

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circuit assembly / what did they say ??

by lancelink in

this afternoon i attended the ca, pioneer / pioneer / pioneer / pioneer, everything else you might need to do in life is not important.

focus on the new system, and making disciples !

and near the end of the session, the district overseer made a quick but noted comment.

The Doc 58

Those assemblies were the most irratating and boring part od my existence for several years.

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Elders in their 20's?

by Princess Daisy Boo in

my little sister called me just now.

exciting news - stop the presses - her husband has been made an elder.

she is 27 and he is 26... is that not a little young to be an elder?

My brother was appointed an elder at around 25. I knew the details of his life and it seemed pretty ridiculous that he was appointed, especially when it is stated that jehovah provides some holy spirit in the decision making. I guess the holy spirit is not exceptionally gifted when it comes to selecting elders. It comes down to a few mentally defunct men in a back room seeking help with their responsibilities.

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Rahab lied should be Disfellowshiped! Stupidest Watchtower logic ever!

by Witness 007 in

rahab hides 2 isrealite spies in the attic and then full on lies!!

yet james 2;25 says:"rahab the harlot was declared righteous by her works.".

joshua 2;5 ....i did not know from where they were {lie no.1}.....by dark the men went out {lie no.2} ...i do not know where the men have gone.

The Doc 58

I don't think the next watchtower will feature an indepth study on this ethical question. As we know no real intellectual study is found in any watchtower. It is nothing more than narrow minded propaganda suited for people that unfortunately in many cases want to shut off their brains to anything that may create a conflict in their beliefs.

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well, I just participated in a miracle

by Hortensia in

i went to good will on the way home from work.

bought a dining room table i could afford.

a nice young woman helped me put it in my trunk.

The Doc 58

KM once gave an experience of "finding a tract on the track."

46

Jesus was a false prophet....

by dawg in

i posted this on another thread, but if you read matthew 24, we see that jesus was indeed a false prophet... he doesn't give the day or hour of the end times but he says that this generation will not pass away until all these things occur... and what generation was he talking about?

he was talking to his diciples and telling them you will see this and that and thus and such....especially take a gander at matt 24: 33-36...jesus thought he was living in the last days and that he would come down from a cloud from the heavens...that stars would fall from the sky, and the like... just read it and tell me what you think.

i wonder if jesus was an essene, they thought they were living in the end of time, in fact they predicted a messiah would come during their days... .

The Doc 58

Thinking creatively seems to me to go in two directions. Believing in the invisible pink unicorn (Dawkins) or the creative thinking that has led many out of the shadows of the cave (Plato).

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Anyone get disfellowshipped for voting?

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

according to a questions from readers in the 11/1/1999 wt, voting in political elections is technically a matter of conscience.

of course, the article lays out numerous reasons why "mature christians" would choose not to vote.

nonetheless, the article concludes that it is up to an individual's conscience.

The Doc 58

Does anybody like Ron Paul? (not that he has a chance in the election)

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Losch reveals newer new light at Australia Zone Visit

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

okay everybody, grab your barf bag because i just got a steaming shovel full of craptastic notes from gerrit's zone visit to the land down under !!.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ read at your own risk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~puke.

zone overseer was losch and his side kick was a big black guy, quite a scolar, cant remember his name though.

The Doc 58

When I was about ten he gave a talk at my hall and stayed at my house. He was treated like a god by my parents and whenever they hang out with him now they bring him a bottle of vodka as a gift. I guess he likes it.

38

I finally Left!

by The Doc 58 in

i would like to give the full details of my leaving the jw's, but i don't have a lot of time at this moment.

basically i was raised in the organization and it drove me pretty insane bacause my father was an elder, mother a pioneer, sister a bethelite, etc.

so, i did the whole thing for a long time.

The Doc 58

In my mind I have been atheist for several years, but it seems I still feel a strong unconscious belief in god that causes conflicts in my life in the normal world.

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I finally Left!

by The Doc 58 in

i would like to give the full details of my leaving the jw's, but i don't have a lot of time at this moment.

basically i was raised in the organization and it drove me pretty insane bacause my father was an elder, mother a pioneer, sister a bethelite, etc.

so, i did the whole thing for a long time.

The Doc 58

Thank you for the welcome from so many people, I appreciate it. I have to alter what I first wrote a little. It's actually been more like 12 months since my last meeting, not 2 months. But things have been difficult to say the least. I really didn't expect such emotional challenges to assimilating to the "world". Actually, I am in therapy at the moment and taking an anti depressent, which has helped a lot. Anyway, I left the "truth" and although my exwife stated she'd be okay with me not attending meetings, the pull to get away from the entire thing, even indirectly by having a JW wife, led me to leave. At one time I was a pioneer and a servent. I gave public talks and so forth. When I was very young I always felt like something was wrong. I was a boy during the early 1980's, a time period I have termed the "Dark Ages" of the JW'S and so my family was intensely afraid of apostates and all of that stuff. In fact, one of my father's best friends became an apostate and my father took it really heard, which meant more repression in the household. In the meantime a lot of secrets had to be kept to maintain my father's reputation as an elder. It was very difficult. Today, all of my immediate family is still deeply involved in the organization.

As a teenager I had to use an incredible amount of will to go to college and become educated and that's where the ifrst doubts really set in. I became very interested in politics, particuarly far left wing radical politics that included athism in its agenda. So, I gravitated to all athiest reading, philosophical or scientific. I stayed in the truth anyway and married a witness. I think the pressure to marry was strong for various reasons. I had some marital issues, but what was really bothering me was sitting at the meetings and hearing the same garbage over and over again. My father had a severe nervous breakdown, but did not seek any professional help. In our family, I can confidently say it was because of the religion that he did not. So, as he deteriorated and our family finances depleted, he was still an elder, but not a very reliable father. It bothers me a lot to this day because he is still an elder.

So, to make a long story short I blame, many many problems in my life and my family's lives on the religion and its repressive, illogical policies. And even if a policy is not written, the pressure to conform to the unwritten rules, etc. is immense. I am a fairly successful person and am involved in a wonderful relationship. The tough part is assimilating. I was having a very hard time celebrating holidays, associating with a normal family, and many other things. I am doing much better now that have i been in therapy to "deprogram" all the jw stuff from my head.

Thanks for the support. I plan on being a regular reader of this website.

The Doc

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I finally Left!

by The Doc 58 in

i would like to give the full details of my leaving the jw's, but i don't have a lot of time at this moment.

basically i was raised in the organization and it drove me pretty insane bacause my father was an elder, mother a pioneer, sister a bethelite, etc.

so, i did the whole thing for a long time.

The Doc 58

I would like to give the full details of my leaving the JW's, but I don't have a lot of time at this moment. Basically I was raised in the organization and it drove me pretty insane bacause my father was an elder, mother a pioneer, sister a bethelite, etc. So, I did the whole thing for a long time. Married a JW and as of a couple months ago I stopped going to meetings. I think i'll avoid getting d'effed because I don't talk to any JW'S. I do feel bad about the now exwife, but i couldn't take the cult anymore. It was a disasterous life. More to come!